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Bussinchen

13.09.2020 19:24
#50 RE: Tamil Scrabble Diesen Beitrag zitieren

Zitat von Raman im Beitrag #49
Who is Alexlatham96 (not me) who added up Scrabble letter distribution for Tamil Scrabble on Wikipedia page (just today!)? Anyone from here simply?
I want to talk with you. Can you please register in this forum and talk with me? If you are a Tamilian, will you be interested in trying out an online game with me on 21×21 board with 220 tiles, may be to start up with?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrabble_l...ributions#Tamil

I think you should contact Alexlatham96 directly
on User talk:Alexlatham96
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alexlatham96,
because even if it is probable it is not sure that he
really will read everything here in Scrabble3D forum.

Raman

13.09.2020 13:39
#49 RE: Tamil Scrabble Diesen Beitrag zitieren

Who is Alexlatham96 (not me) who added up Scrabble letter distribution for Tamil Scrabble on Wikipedia page (just today!)? Anyone from here simply?
I want to talk with you. Can you please register in this forum and talk with me? If you are a Tamilian, will you be interested in trying out an online game with me on 21×21 board with 220 tiles, may be to start up with?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrabble_l...ributions#Tamil

Some facts in that Tamil Section in Wikipedia article need revising. Scrabble3D application is a game in which board size, board layout, letter distribution, points for tiles, number of tiles in rack, dictionary words, etc. everything can be set according to player's wishes.

Zitat
Tamil-language sets use these 1000 tiles:


I created 1000 tiles to experience 15×15×15 3D Scrabble board played games and to give people a precise idea on frequency of each Tamil letter in dictionary so that people will be able to downgrade or upgrade from there for smaller or larger letter sets depending upon their own wishes.

Zitat
Tamil scrabble is played on a 45×45 board, and 20 tiles are on a rack at a time.


It can be also played with smaller boards with smaller letter sets, or larger boards with larger letter sets. I first tried it out on a 45×45 Scrabble board just simply to test if the dictionary is fine by running and executing a demo with only 4 of computer players, not as opponent players. And also for precisely representing the frequency of letters that are rarely made use of in Tamil language. Number of tiles in rack can also be anything between 15 and 20. Slightly lesser than 15 is also OK. But as that number gets too low, it does not provide much of flexibility to form words and open up board with larger boards for large and diverse number of (various) different letters in Tamil language.

Was this statement made only solely by looking at my first post of mine in this thread and not remaining of the posts and screenshots of board positions and images that are attached in this thread?

Zitat
Also, ஙி, ஙீ, and ஙூ have no tiles because these letters do not exist in any Tamil words.


This is only according to Tamil Lexicon dictionary, that is published by University of Madras, https://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/tamil-lex/. There may be words that contain those Tamil letters that are not present in that dictionary at all. But that in Scrabble3D application, if a word does not exist in the dictionary, then it is not necessarily invalid, but can be accepted and placed on Scrabble board if other human players as opponent players (either online or offline) agree to it by means of consensus by making use of poll as a voting mechanism. While playing with other computer players as opponent players (only offline and never online), only approval from us as a human player is needed and a word will be accepted and placed on Scrabble word even if it is a phony for that particular language.

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2 blank tiles (scoring 0 points)


This is wrong. In my Tamil letter set that I prepared with, I did not make use of any blank tile at all and including that will bring with the count of total Tamil letters that are made use of to 1002. Please check it out by yourself also, with that thing.
In my own humble opinion, by means of scaling from conventional English Scrabble rules, if blank tiles are used, then they will be 20 in number for 1000 tiles.

Total number of tiles comes out to be 992 (excluding 2 blank tiles (scoring 0 points)) according to, as per my own calculations. Please check it out by yourself also, with that thing.
One or more Tamil letters seem and appear to be dropped out and so that needs revising. I will come back with the revised data later on.

ந் ×8 for 3 points seems and appears to be dropped out over thereby, isn't it?

In my own humble opinion, Tamil section in Wikipedia article can be kept like this:
Mention about Sorkalam game at first, https://twitter.com/sorkalam and https://www.instagram.com/sorkalamthegame/, which is played on 17×17 Scrabble board and makes use of 90 wooden tiles (for representing with pure vowel letters and for representing with pure consonant letters), 55 glass tiles (for representing with hooks that are added on to any of consonant letters) and 20 blank tiles. At most 1 glass tile can be overlapped on top of each of wooden tile. 1 blank tile is allowed per player per turn.
Sorkalam Tamil Scrabble game is played with 2 separate racks for each of players containing with 8 wooden tiles and 6 glass tiles. Post a link of Amazon version of that played game in the Wikipedia page, https://www.amazon.in/Sorkalam-Word-Boar...99995514&sr=8-1

Or a link to separate Wikipedia page: 'See also Sorkalam (game)' for Tamil Scrabble section in Wikipedia article if one exists exclusively for it or that if that Sorkalam game designer will be willing to create one exclusively for it to discuss about everything in that Sorkalam Tamil Scrabble game in detail.
That will be in a separate Wikipedia page, just simply like 'See also Equate (game)' for Maths Scrabble section in Wikipedia article.

After that, write that an alternate letter distribution by Scrabble3D application makes use of my letter distribution.

I also think of creating a more difficult (keep it as separate) version of Tamil dictionary with 1000 tiles by making use of digraphs and trigraphs for representing each of Tamil letter. This will have larger and diverse number of (various) different Tamil letters and so number of tiles in rack should be as high as 20 so as to provide much of flexibility.
In this version of Tamil Scrabble, letters like கெ and கொ can be considered as 1 single tile.

People can choose to play between easy or difficult version of Tamil Scrabble depending upon their own tastes. In difficult version of Tamil Scrabble, digraphs and trigraphs are made use of for representing each of Tamil letter. In easy version of Tamil Scrabble, they are not.

Note that I have not included with any blank tile because already 20 tiles in rack is used to provide much of flexibility. Also that if needed for difficult version of Tamil Scrabble in which digraphs and trigraphs are made use of for representing each of Tamil letter, one tile can be changed to blank tile per turn (Control + Right Mouse Click) if What-If-Only variant is enabled in it if players can be able to score at least 20 points or more in that turn (adjustable too). If that is not possible when one tile is converted to blank tile in a turn (Control + Right Mouse Click), that player has to pass with their own turn and that letter will remain as blank during the next turn as well. This is very much useful during endgame when some tiles, easy or difficult, are not possible to be pushed away, and it will remain as a race to several players whoever will be able to empty their racks at first and grab all of points from other players. Hopefully that in this situation, it should be possible to push away all of tiles in racks by any player without stagnating any thing at end and played game ending by all players passing away with multiple times.
I have also not made use of any random tiles also to precisely represent frequency of each Tamil letter for 1000 tiles as they would occur in that Tamil Lexicon dictionary, that is published by University of Madras and to avoid redundant and difficult to play letters that come if they are ever included into them.

So that Tamil Section in Wikipedia page on Scrabble letter distributions need revising. Please give me 1 week of tile to prepare about it.
It can also say that Tamil language hooks of u sound (ு) and oo sound (ூ) are missing from Sorkalam Tamil Scrabble game played with glass tiles and that Scrabble3D version handles them. They can be only used by blank tiles of which 1 is allowed per player per turn.
Words containing 2 ு letters like நுணுக்கம் can only be played if 1 of ு letter is already there on board as blank tile and that another of ு letter should also only be played with blank tile. Words containing 3 ு letters like சிட்டுக்குருவி cannot be played until 2 of those exist already in board in straight line by using blanks with the correct distance inbetween them.

In Sorkalam Tamil Scrabble game, Sanskrit letters of ஸ, ஜ, ஷ, ஹ, க்ஷ, ஶ்ரீ and ஶ can also only be played with blank tiles. Tamil letters of ஶ், ஶ, ஶி, ஶீ, ஶு and ஶூ are not mentioned in Tamil section in Wikipedia article.
I left out with ஶ because it is very rarely used in Sanskrit loanwords and Valluvan Tamil font does not support it.

In most cases, Tamil letter of ச should be a good substitute for Tamil letter of ஶ except perhaps when ஶ் combines with ரீ to form with ஶ்ரீ.
In Valluvan Tamil font, separate Tamil letters for ெ, ே, ை and ா cannot be properly represented. But that is for easy version of Tamil Scrabble. In difficult version of Tamil Scrabble in which digraphs and trigraphs are made use of for representing each of Tamil letter, words that contain with ஶ can be included back again whenever that I make use of Unicode Tamil font for best results, ever.

I wonder whether exotic things like Scrabble with perfect squares, triangular numbers, Roman numerals, etc. along with their own letter distributions and points for each letter could be added up to that Wikipedia page.

It is really very much of fun in playing by that way, just simply.
Scrabble with mathematical equations should be open to everyone in the world and not limited to speakers of a specific language, if it would be made popular with everyone all round the world anyway and if any tournaments are conducted with them anyway.
Scrabble with perfect squares and triangular numbers are lot of fun to play with 7 or 8 tiles in rack but cannot be played by people without the aid of any helper tools to be suitable for tournament play unless a player can by heart all such list of numbers by heart in memory and can recall from memory in an instant.
Scrabble with Roman numerals is also a lot of fun to play with 7 or 8 tiles in rack and should be open to everyone in the world without the aid of any helper tools and should be suitable for tournament play.

People may be downloading and using my own prepared Tamil Scrabble dictionary in Scrabble3D application.
Either that just that they are not connecting with me to test and play games with me simply or that download statistics in sourceforge page may not be showing up properly.

I say this because of the fact that points of each of Tamil letter in Tamil section in Wikipedia article have been prepared from my latest uploaded version of Tamil dictionary on sourceforge page and not from my earlier posts in this thread in this forum.

Just simply that 2 downloads are shown in India, both by me in Windows operating system and in Ubuntu operating system as that of Virtual Machine inside that of Windows operating system by making use of Oracle's virtual box.
And that I assume that most of Tamil official language speakers are only in India, Sri Lanka, Malaysia and Singapore for such countries to be shown in download statistics in sourceforge page. Tamil language may not make much of sense outside of these territories, isn't it?

Raman

18.08.2020 14:35
#48 RE: Tamil Scrabble Diesen Beitrag zitieren

Zitat von Raman im Beitrag #40
(2) It would be good to have 2 separate racks, first rack can hold upto 10 wooden tiles for letters corresponding to the sounds of pure vowels and pure consonants + அ. Second rack can hold upto 5 glass tiles for letters corresponding to the sounds of combos of consonants and vowels. Exactly and only one single glass tile can be overlapped on top of each of other wooden tiles.

An interesting idea struck in my mind yesterday night.

As teenagers or as young adults, my cousins and I would play the cows and bulls game in English language. The player has to find the correct 4-letter (or n-letter) word thought by opponent player within a number of attempts (unlimited number, of course) but if 2 players play it, then whoever finds it within fewer number of attempts wins the game.
For each attempt, the player guesses a 4-letter (or n-letter) word and the opponent player gives clues similar to that of mastermind game, according to number of bulls (how many letters are present in the word in correct position) and number of cows + bulls (how many letters are present in the word whether in correct position or in incorrect position).
Number of cows (how many letters are present in the word in incorrect position) is not directly used in the clue but instead cows + bulls is used. Number of cows used in the clue can be derived directly by subtracting first number from second number.

For example, if thought word by opponent player is FISH,
and if the player guesses FIND: 2 2 (2 bulls, 0 cows),
and if the player guesses SHIP: 0 3 (0 bulls, 3 cows).

Note: if thought word by opponent player is NONE,
and if the player guesses ANON: that would be 0 3 and not 0 2,
and if the player guesses KNOW: that would be 0 2 and not 0 3,
and if the player guesses ELSE: that would be 1 1 and not 1 2.

We have played this with numbers provided that leading zeros are not allowed. All sorts of number sequences can be combined together unlike a language in which only valid words are allowed to be thought by opponent players and guessed by players.
How about extending this game to Tamil language? Since there are at least 247 core letters in Tamil language, even if Sanskrit letters are excluded from it, so that if it were played like English language, then except for the Tamil letters thought in the word, all other letter sequences in the word would yield 0 0 making it very easy for players to guess the letters in the Tamil word.

To make it more fun than even that in English language, I got this idea. The idea of giving 2 pairs of clues, 1 pair for consonants and 1 pair for vowels.

For example, if thought word by opponent player is மஞ்சள்,
and if the player guesses பஞ்சம்,
then for consonant sequence: ம, ஞ, ச, ள vs ப, ஞ, ச, ம: 2 3,
then for vowel sequence: அ, ஃ, அ, ஃ vs அ, ஃ, அ, ஃ: 4 4,
and so that would be:
┌ 2 3 ┐
└ 4 4 ┘

If thought word by opponent player is தங்கம்,
and if the player guesses பீரங்கி,
then for consonant sequence: த, ங, க, ம vs ப, ர, ங, க: 0 2,
then for vowel sequence: அ, ஃ, அ, ஃ vs ஈ, அ, ஃ, இ: 0 2,
and so that would be:
┌ 0 2 ┐
└ 0 2 ┘

If thought word by opponent player is தங்கம்,
and if the player guesses மயங்கு,
then for consonant sequence: த, ங, க, ம vs ம, ய, ங, க: 0 3,
then for vowel sequence: அ, ஃ, அ, ஃ vs அ, அ, ஃ, உ: 1 3,
and so that would be:
┌ 0 3 ┐
└ 1 3 ┘

In any game that makes use of Tamil language or any other Indian language, whether it is Scrabble or cows and bulls or words building, all vowels can be assumed to be preceded by the same null consonant. In my humble opinion, (unvoiced) glottal stop, whose symbol in International Phonetic alphabet is ʔ, fits well for this purpose.
Although it is not this way of combination, for the purpose of any game in Tamil language, ஃ can be assumed to be as a combination of ʔ + ்.

I leave it to the choice of other players whoever will be willing to play this game in the future period of time, whether க்ஷ can be treated and used as a single Tamil letter or as a combination of க் and ஷ,
and whether ஶ்ரீ can be treated and used as a single Tamil letter or as a combination of ஶ் and ரீ (and so that would also be for all of types of consonant - vowel combo Tamil letters in the ஶ் + ர as a combined consonant row sequence).

Bussinchen

13.08.2020 16:55
#47 RE: Tamil Scrabble Diesen Beitrag zitieren

Zitat von Raman im Beitrag #46
What do you actually mean by unofficial editions? You mean that they are produced by other authors and not by released by Mattel outside of USA and Canada and Hasbro inside of USA and Canada?

Yes, they call it like that. "Official editions" = only Mattel's or Hasbro's commercial editions. Everything else is called "unofficial".


Zitat von Raman im Beitrag #46
In your list of languages in unofficial editions, Scottish Gaelic and Cyrillic Serbian are the same language each. You counted them separately, isn't it?

Thank you. I have corrected my mistake.

Raman

13.08.2020 16:40
#46 RE: Tamil Scrabble Diesen Beitrag zitieren

What do you actually mean by unofficial editions? You mean that they are produced by other authors and not by released by Mattel outside of USA and Canada and Hasbro inside of USA and Canada?
In your list of languages in unofficial editions, Scottish Gaelic and Cyrillic Serbian are the same language each. You counted them separately, isn't it?

Perhaps that we should add the letter distribution and points for each letter in Tamil Scrabble both for Sorkalam style of play and Scrabble3D style of play in Wikipedia page for letter distributions. It will be followed by the other Indian languages as well.
I got hold of Scrabble3D application from the Wikipedia page on Scrabble tile distributions for different languages. When it said about Maths Scrabble I got the link from it, which I had been longing to play it for a long period of time and trying out with an experience upon it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrabble_letter_distributions
But in Scrabble3D application, everything can be tuned according to the taste of the players: board size, board layout, whether Scrabble board is 2D or 3D, letter distribution, points for each letter, number of tiles in rack and dictionary words.
But in Tamil Scrabble in Scrabble3D application, for 100 tiles, I made use of 90 frequently used letters and 10 randoms which will not respect frequency of each letter that is present in the dictionary and will be evenly distributed. Alternately that I could also make use of 100 random tiles which are generated by making use of computer program along with the points of each letter depending upon the frequency of each letter in the dictionary which will respect frequency of each letter that is present in the dictionary and will not be evenly distributed.
For Sorkalam style of play, it is all fixed, 17×17 fixed size of Scrabble board, 165 tiles of which 90 of them are wooden tiles for representing pure vowels or pure consonants, 55 of them are glass tiles for representing combo of consonants and vowels and 20 of them are blank tiles. Exactly and only one single glass tile can be overlapped on top of each of other wooden tiles.

Evolution of that Tamil Script from that Brahmi Script over the last two millennia, first of all I saw them in Madurai Temple way back in 1998 when I was just simply 10 years old:


Old enough, that 3rd century BC Tamil Script inscriptions over stone by making use of Brahmi Script, including that of most popular enough Tamil poetry work, that Thirukkural:


𑀅 → அ, 𑀆 → ஆ, 𑀇 → இ, 𑀈 → ஈ, 𑀉 → உ, 𑀊 → ஊ, எ, 𑀏 → ஏ, 𑀐 → ஐ, ஒ, 𑀑 → ஓ, 𑀒 → ஔ.
𑀓 → க, 𑀔, 𑀕, 𑀖, 𑀗 → ங, 𑀘 → ச, 𑀙, 𑀚 → ஜ, 𑀛, 𑀜 → ஞ, 𑀝 → ட, 𑀞, 𑀟, 𑀠, 𑀡 → ண, 𑀢 → த, 𑀣, 𑀤, 𑀥, 𑀦 → ந, 𑀧 → ப, 𑀨, 𑀩, 𑀪, 𑀫 → ம, 𑀬 → ய, 𑀭 → ர, 𑀮 → ல, 𑀯 → வ, 𑀰 → ஶ, 𑀱 → ஷ, 𑀲 → ஸ, 𑀳 → ஹ, 𑀴 → ள, 𑀵 → ழ, 𑀶 → ற, 𑀷 → ன.

Similarly whatever that to that of evolution of that Latin Script from that Egyptian Hierogylphs → Proto-Sinaitic → Phoenician Alphabet → Greek Script → Latin Script / Cyrillic Script only actually ever:

𐤀 → Α, 𐤁 → Β, 𐤂 → Γ, 𐤃 → Δ, 𐤄 → Ε, 𐤅 → Υ, 𐤆 → Ζ, 𐤇 → Η, 𐤈 → Θ, 𐤉 → Ι, 𐤊 → Κ, 𐤋 → Λ, 𐤌 → Μ, 𐤍 → Ν, 𐤎 → Ξ, 𐤏 → Ο, 𐤐 → Π, 𐤑, 𐤒 → Q, 𐤓 → Ρ, 𐤔 → Σ, 𐤕 → Τ

In features of Xobor forum software, it is good enough that any of inline attached and linked images to any post in any forum by making use of features of Xobor forum software, whatever that large enough images are only shown small enough in posted messages as their own thumbnails, they will expand only if they are clicked enough. I am not sure about the features of another of type of forum software, only actually ever.

From among that alphabetical system of letters that from that Latin Script (English Script), Greek Script (Greek Script) and Cyrillic Script (Russian Script):
Letters that are common to that Latin Script (English Script), Greek Script (Greek Script) and Cyrillic Script (Russian Script):
A, B, E, H, K, M, O, P, T, X, Y
Letters that are common to that Latin Script (English Script) and Greek Script (Greek Script) but not to that Cyrillic Script (Russian Script) only:
I, N, Z
Letters that are common to that Latin Script (English Script) and Cyrillic Script (Russian Script) but not to that Greek Script (Greek Script) only:
C
Letters that are common to that Greek Script (Greek Script) and Cyrillic Script (Russian Script) but not to that Latin Script (English Script) only:
Γ, Π, Φ
Letters that are common to that Latin Script (English Script) only but not to that Greek Script (Greek Script) and Cyrillic Script (Russian Script):
D, F, G, J, L, Q, R, S, U, V, W
Letters that are common to that Greek Script (Greek Script) only but not to that Latin Script (English Script) and Cyrillic Script (Russian Script):
Δ, Θ, Λ, Ξ, Σ, Ψ, Ω
Letters that are common to that Cyrillic Script (Russian Script) only but not to that Latin Script (English Script) and Greek Script (Greek Script):
Б, Д, Ё, Ж, З, И, Й, Л, Ц, Ч, Ш, Щ, Ъ, Ы, Ь, Э, Ю, Я

Latin Script (English Script): 26 in number.
Greek Script (Greek Script): 24 in number.
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Bussinchen

12.08.2020 23:10
#45 RE: Tamil Scrabble Diesen Beitrag zitieren

Ah, I see. I hadn't understood before.
I recommend not to use such long spoiler titles. You could put the title 1 line above the spoiler instead.
I mean like this for example:

Puzzle 11
For each of these following words, fill in the two pairs of missing blanks with the same digraph, it does not matter whether that digraph is a homogeneous digraph or a heterogeneous digraph

Each word has two + two blanks.


That's better, I think.
Actually I don't know how many caracters are allowed in the spoiler title. Try it out if you really need to know that.


The qu[b][/b]ote you see it only in the quoted text in your edition field when you write an answer. I did it only to show you in the post how you can do - not in the editor. It is shown correctly in my post, If I hadn't spoiles the quotation tag by another tag, the quotation tag would have been realised as a quotation in my post.
I could even have done like this

1
 
[quote="name"]text[/quote]
 

, but it is shown differently.


The 65000 caracters are the Xobor-software limitation, not the administrators' settings.

Zitat
Why is it 65000 and not any other furthermore round number, binary based or decimal based, that has been and that would be. Does that character limit to any post in this forum affect the 100 MB of storage space that is allocated in any free and advertisement supported Xobor forum software?



You have to put that question to the Xobor technicians in the Xobor Support forum: https://www.hpm-support.de/
Maybe Ingmar Hamer can explain it to you, if you really want to know exactly why they chose that limitation.

Raman

12.08.2020 22:32
#44 RE: Tamil Scrabble Diesen Beitrag zitieren

Zitat von Bussinchen im Beitrag #43
1. Even in the spoiler there is no limitation other than maximum 65,000 caracters per post (tags included), I think.
2. You have to copy that text yourself and put it between the quotation-tags:

Like this:
[quote="name"]text[/quote]

Actually that I meant something like this only:
If the length of the text in spoiler tag title in this forum is too long, then part of that text in that title would disappear away which would exceed the maximum limit of characters that would actually fit into it:
In my own post of mine in the Word Puzzles thread in the General forum in the English group in this forum, I have intentionally compressed that spoiler tag title from its own original length to make it fit in into it.
And that is the point from where I was motivated to ask that question from me out to you in order to seek an answer from you out to me, enough whenever that during within current and present period of time, only actually ever.

Puzzle 11
Each word has two + two blanks.

You need to fill up with the same pair of letters to form a word.

For example:
S _ _ ur _ _ e.

The missing pair letters are A T.
The word is Saturate.

Here's an opportunity to sharpen our brain! Lets see who completes all 25.

1. _ _ i _ _
2. V_ _ lat_ _ n
3. H_ _ dw _ _ e
4. _ _ rses _ _e
5. P_ _ sev _ _ e
6. S _ _tim _ _ t
7. _ _da _ _ ted
8. C _ _kb _ _ k
9. Lo _ _i _ _
10. D_ _ tingu_ _ h
11. P_ _ dl _ _
12. S _ _ur _ _ e
13. _ _ p _ _ zard
14. Who _ _ sa _ _
15. _ _ at _ _
16._ _ od_ _ rk.
17. _ _ ma _ _
18. _ _ y _ _ rd
19. H _ _ rtbr _ _ k
20. B _ _ evol _ _ t
21. C _ _ diti _ _
22. An _ _ cipa _ _ on
23. _ _ rri _ _ lum
24. E _ _ agi _ _
25. Inc _ _ p _ _ ate

May be that in any forum that is and that would be making use of Xobor forum software, that limit in private messages would be larger enough than that in forum posts, isn't it?
It is definitely in post previews, before attempting away to submit the post out, I have just simply right now checked it and that out by myself and that is because no left side anyone's own post of anyone of forum information is available during and within post preview period of time, isn't it?

It might also depend upon the size of your screen, especially width and not height and if within any case that whether you are making use of wide enough PC monitor screen or narrow enough mobile device monitor screen.
In my above example, I intentionally made use of a very long enough title that would not even fit even in the longest of monitor device's screen widths and not screen heights.

In your forum post above, you make use of qu[b][/b]ote instead of quote for that forum tag to be not to be automatically formatted enough into parsing them whenever that your own post of yours is being posted into the forum ever, only?
I wonder if whether within any case that there is no pre-formatted tag into any forum software, as it can be done directly into HTML pages and that any forum software makes use of only some of type of website page rendering script as programming language code such as those like PHP scripting as programming language code. I hope that [pre] and [/pre] forum tags serve the sake and purpose for that during and within Xobor forum software at least and at the very least.

Oops, sorry that forum tag is only made use of to render pre-formatted text into a separate paragraph and not to avoid formatting of forum tags into parsing them.
Formatting of forum tags into parsing them can be easily avoided away by making use of inserting within a dummy non-space occupying character during and into forum tags, isn't it?

By the way, just curious about it, is 65000 character limit to any post in this forum is something that set by administrator and that it can be changed by them? Why is there such a character limit to any post in this forum if that character limit to any post in this forum is not going to affect the 100 MB of storage space that is allocated in any free and advertisement supported Xobor forum software in any way and in Mersenne Forum it was initially 10000 but that it was later raised to 16384 = 2¹⁴.
Why is it 65000 and not any other furthermore round number, binary based or decimal based, that has been and that would be. Does that character limit to any post in this forum affect the 100 MB of storage space that is allocated in any free and advertisement supported Xobor forum software?

Bussinchen

12.08.2020 21:13
#43 RE: Tamil Scrabble Diesen Beitrag zitieren

Zitat von Raman im Beitrag #42
How many languages has Mattel produced Scrabble in?
And what are those languages?


Look here: https://www.quora.com/Are-there-versions...besides-English
and here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrabble_letter_distributions

But on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrabble_letter_distributions "unofficial" Scrabble games like Scrabble3D are included.

Zitat von https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrabble_letter_distributions
Official editions:
English Afrikaans Arabic Bulgarian Catalan 5
Croatian Czech Danish Dutch Estonian 10
Finnish French German Greek Hebrew 15
Hungarian Icelandic Irish Italian Latvian 20
Lithuanian Malaysian Norwegian Polish Portuguese 25
Romanian Russian Slovak Slovenian Spanish 30
Swedish Turkish Ukrainian Welsh 34

Unofficial editions:
Anglo-Saxon Armenian Bambara Basque Bicolano 5
Breton Dakelh Dakota Esperanto Faroese 10
Galician Gwichʼin Haitian Creole Hausa Hawaiian 15
Igbo Indonesian IPA English Japanese Hiragana Japanese Romaji 20
Klingon Latin L33t Lojban Malagasy 25
Māori Math Nuxalk Persian Pinyin 30
Scottish Gaelic Cyrillic Serbian Tswana Tuvan Zhuyin 35



Now we should add Tamil Scrabble amoungst the unofficial editions.


Zitat von Raman im Beitrag #42
1. In spoiler tags, in Xobor forums either in forum posts or in private messages I am just wondering if it is simply possible to write very long topics without those making those text which exceed the character limits that fit over thereby disappearing away.

2. I wonder that if there is no quote button for private messages to quote other people's sent private messages to me automatically in that Xobor forum software.


1. Even in the spoiler there is no limitation other than maximum 65,000 caracters per post (tags included), I think.

2. You have to copy that text yourself and put it between the quotation-tags:

Like this:
[quote="name"]text[/quote]

Raman

12.08.2020 11:07
#42 RE: Tamil Scrabble Diesen Beitrag zitieren

How many languages has Mattel produced Scrabble in?
And what are those languages?

List of fun holidays at timeanddate.com:
https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/fun/
April 13 is International Scrabble Day every year.
https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/fun/scrabble-day
That page says that Mattel has produced Scrabble in 29 international languages. Is that correct?
But that there can be more new additions in the recent years since the time when that website page had been written.

But everything, board size, board layout, letter distribution, number of tiles in rack, points for each letter and list of words in dictionary can be customized in Scrabble3D application, and it is not a very fixed set of rules as in Classic Scrabble or Super Scrabble produced in any language by Mattel.
It is even possible to create strange variants like Scrabble with mathematical equations, perfect squares, triangular numbers, perfect cubes, Roman numerals, etc.

R. Santhanakrishnan and his wife Preetha Raghavan recently started mass production of Sorkalam Tamil Scrabble playing kits commercially and by someone else in Kannada followed by other Indian regional languages.
https://www.amazon.in/Sorkalam-Word-Boar...97222813&sr=8-1
But they follow modification to some set of Scrabble rules that I have already mentioned above in the previous post of mine in this thread and they cannot be simulated by Scrabble3D application right now until some source code is also modified accordingly. I created the dictionary for Tamil Scrabble in Scrabble3D application that can be best fit and that can be best played with the current source code of Scrabble3D application right now.

In spoiler tags, in Xobor forums either in forum posts or in private messages I am just wondering if it is simply possible to write very long topics without those making those text which exceed the character limits that fit over thereby disappearing away.
I wonder that if there is no quote button for private messages to quote other people's sent private messages to me automatically in that Xobor forum software.

Bussinchen

11.08.2020 23:53
#41 RE: Tamil Scrabble Diesen Beitrag zitieren

Zitat von Raman im Beitrag #40
1. [...] what do you mean by 'exotic' dictionary for Tamil language? Because it makes use of different script for writing system?

2. Would you be interested to consider perfect squares, triangular numbers, perfect cubes, Roman numerals, etc. as 'exotic' dictionaries for them to be uploaded to sourceforge website page so that other users of Scrabble3D application will be able to play with them?


1. Yes, exactly. And because Mattel never produced the Scrabble game in that language.

2. Yes, I would. Roman numerals would be even very "exotic".

Raman

11.08.2020 11:19
#40 RE: Tamil Scrabble Diesen Beitrag zitieren

I will not insist with you any more about it again.

Yes, that part of my post is off topic to Tamil Scrabble thread, but not to this entire forum.
At least it belongs elsewhere in this forum. Instead of creating a small new thread elsewhere in this forum specifically for it, I just wanted to clarify in the middle of my posts in other threads. It is good for you and for Scotty to adjust to it if only 3 of us you, me and Scotty makes use of this forum right now.
But if more people would ever read this forum, yes it is good to make use of spoiler tag to expand and contract the off topic parts of messages in this thread. Or move my off topic parts of my messages in this thread to a new thread elsewhere in this forum.
In Xobor forum software, it is a good feature that spoiler tag parts of the messages can be expanded and contracted and not like vBulletin board forum software where black marker is used for spoiler tag parts of the messages to mask off parts of written text in any post that can be used to hide away answers for puzzles, etc.

As you mentioned in the private message to me, what do you mean by 'exotic' dictionary for Tamil language? Because it makes use of different script for writing system?
Would you be interested to consider perfect squares, triangular numbers, perfect cubes, Roman numerals, etc. as 'exotic' dictionaries for them to be uploaded to sourceforge website page so that other users of Scrabble3D application will be able to play with them?

I can also next consider working out upon Hindi and Telugu dictionaries, for example, but there are too many letters to use in them. For best uses to make them work out, rack sizes need to be greater than 20. And that would form more short words, not allowing flexibility to stretch the words played in the Scrabble board from one end of the board to the other end.
May be that as in Sorkalam game for Tamil Scrabble, the words played in such Scrabble boards will extend only from top right of the board to bottom left leaving away other parts of the board unoccupied?

Problems with dictionaries like Hindi and Telugu (without the full Telugu word list in that Telugu dictionary website page):
(1) There are too many consonants, 4 variations each for sounds k, tʃ, ʈ, t and p, although second and fourth (aspirated consonants) will be rarely used, so will be the letters corresponding to the sounds of ŋ, ɲ and ɳ.
(2) As in Tamil Scrabble, even combos of consonants and vowels like ெ, ே, ை and ா cannot be separated.
(3) What about that for pure consonants? Unlike Tamil, in which ் is used for a letter, in other Indian languages, part of the letter is cut and it is joined with the next letter or that letter are placed tinily at the bottom right of the next letter. At least if glass tiles are made use of for combos of consonants and vowels, then at least the ் symbol that is made use of for other Indian languages can be overlapped on top of other wooden pure consonant + அ tiles.

Some of types of other Indian languages such as those like Kannada and Malayalam do not even have these many number of words in their word list in that same dictionary website page to be continued to be proceeded with any furthermore, i.e. for creating within dictionary and letter set for playing Scrabble game in any of types of sizes of Scrabble boards in Scrabble3D application.

Solutions:
These things cannot be done with Scrabble3D application right now, but some modification to Scrabble rules might be needed to provide with more flexibility.
(1) In my 2014 make of Tamil Scrabble with board and tiles printed on chart paper pasted with gum on front side and back side of cardboard and cut with scissors which makes use of front side or back side choice of each tile for each player. This is in accordance with choice of Tamil questions to be answered in Tamil school exams. In this make of Tamil Scrabble, a high scoring tile can be pushed away for low score by making use of back side of that tile. But in the implementation in the Scrabble3D application, that is not possible and a high scoring tile has to be compulsorily played for high scoring value to push it away on the Scrabble board, whether it is on a premium square or not. For other Indian languages, do 6 face cube tiles make sense?
(2) It would be good to have 2 separate racks, first rack can hold upto 10 wooden tiles for letters corresponding to the sounds of pure vowels and pure consonants + அ. Second rack can hold upto 5 glass tiles for letters corresponding to the sounds of combos of consonants and vowels. Exactly and only one single glass tile can be overlapped on top of each of other wooden tiles.

Even furthermore than that will be needed for other Indian languages besides that of Tamil because of more number of consonants but same number of vowels in them as Tamil. Non-Dravidian Indian languages have 2 less vowels in them as Tamil and other Dravidian Indian languages: e and o.

Bussinchen

10.08.2020 23:35
#39 RE: Tamil Scrabble Diesen Beitrag zitieren

Offtopic - this has nothing to do with Tamil Scrabble

Zitat von Raman im Beitrag #38
There must be some problem in this forum software if your number of posts, that is count, showing in this forum is wrong, Bussinchen, that is 70, at the time of writing this (my own) post of mine.
Or that may be that some administrator in this forum would have done something to it, just for playing around with it simply enough.


Please don't insist. Thank you.
As I said before, it doesn't matter. I have my reasons.

This is not a bug in the forum software.

Raman

10.08.2020 14:17
#38 RE: Tamil Scrabble Diesen Beitrag zitieren

Zitat von Scotty im Beitrag #37
Zitat von Raman im Beitrag #33
Please consider my uploaded Tamil dictionary from my Google Drive account...

That works for me as well. Updated the Sf.net now.

I revised the points for some of the Tamil letters and especially raised the points for some of the Tamil vowels to reward players with more points for pushing away difficult enough letters, especially letters which are even more difficult enough to push away than the hardest of all English letters.
Vowels are mostly used only in the beginning of any Tamil word because if they occur in the middle of a Tamil word, it will become a combo of consonant and vowel by combining with previous consonant in the Tamil word. But in some rare cases, such as poetry, in which rhyming sounds at the end of each line is important, vowels can also occur at the middle of the Tamil word and they will definitely be of interest to any Tamil Scrabble playing gamer, given that words from Tamil poetry can also be accepted to be played in any game in any Scrabble board and not only Tamil prose.

Now that with the latest update to the Tamil dictionary, it would look good enough to invite other human players as opponents to try out with online Tamil Scrabble games to play over a network connection and not only who are limited with other human players as opponents and other computer players as opponents who are limited offline in the same computer.
While playing against the computer, if points for these letters are too low, then computer will stagnate these tiles in its rack. If they were too high, then computer would play it in short words on high scoring premium squares. So I need to check out in keeping a balance between both extremes.
Zitat von Bussinchen im Beitrag #36
Offtopic

Zitat von Raman im Beitrag #35
I assume that your post count of only 69 posts in this forum with respect to Scrabble3D application at the time of writing this (my own) post of mine is wrong.

Never mind. It doesn't matter.
(no script)

There must be some problem in this forum software if your number of posts, that is count, showing in this forum is wrong, Bussinchen, that is 70, at the time of writing this (my own) post of mine.
Or that may be that some administrator in this forum would have done something to it, just for playing around with it simply enough.
Zitat von Scotty im Beitrag #37
Zitat von Raman im Beitrag #33
Is it possible to make use of semicolon character in any meanings of words in any dictionary files that are made use of by Scrabble3D application at least with an escape character, such that it will be displayed in the tooltip text that appears when mouse hovers over any played word in the Scrabble board?

Checking at the code DoWord() in udictionary.pas the word info/meaning is defined as everything between the first semicolon until the second (or end of line if there is no category applied). So answer is no, semicolons cannot be used in the word info.

Definitely that you mean that, everything between first equals and first semicolon (or end of line if there is no category applied) after first equals, and not everything between the first semicolon until the second semicolon (or end of line if there is no category applied).
This is because equals is the separator between word and its own word meaning before the first semicolon (or end of line if there is no category applied) and semicolon is the separator between word meaning and its own word category (or end of line if there is no category applied and it would be the separator between the current word meaning and the next word) after the first equals.

Scotty

10.08.2020 11:49
#37 RE: Tamil Scrabble Diesen Beitrag zitieren

Zitat von Raman im Beitrag #33
Please consider my uploaded Tamil dictionary from my Google Drive account...

That works for me as well. Updated the Sf.net now.
Zitat von Raman im Beitrag #33
Is it possible to make use of semicolon character in any meanings of words in any dictionary files that are made use of by Scrabble3D application at least with an escape character, such that it will be displayed in the tooltip text that appears when mouse hovers over any played word in the Scrabble board?

Checking at the code DoWord() in udictionary.pas the word info/meaning is defined as everything between the first semicolon until the second (or end of line if there is no category applied). So answer is no, semicolons cannot be used in the word info.

Bussinchen

09.08.2020 22:13
#36 RE: Tamil Scrabble Diesen Beitrag zitieren

Offtopic

Zitat von Raman im Beitrag #35
I assume that your post count of only 69 posts in this forum with respect to Scrabble3D application at the time of writing this (my own) post of mine is wrong.

Never mind. It doesn't matter.
(no script)

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