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Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:15 pm
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Scrabble3D in Chinese?

In this thread I would like to discuss the question whether it could be possible to play Scrabble3D in Chinese or not.

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Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:04 pm
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Zitat von Bussinchen im Beitrag #8 auf euskara.dic
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Unbelievable! But I'd be more interested in his experiences in Chinese.


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Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:02 am
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Zitat von Scotty
Unbelievable! But I'd be more interested in his experiences in Chinese



As far as Scrabble goes, no chance. You would need a "letterset" that's about 6,000 "units" big. Not really feasible I'm afraid.


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Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:24 am
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Zitat von akerbeltzalba
As far as Scrabble goes, no chance. You would need a "letterset" that's about 6,000 "units" big. Not really feasible I'm afraid.



From a technically point of view that would be easy. The game can be run with a subset of all available "letters". But I thought asian languages have two types of script like kana and kanji in Japanese. One with a huge number of characters the other similar to western scripts.


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Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:34 pm
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Zitat von Scotty
One with a huge number of characters the other similar to western scripts.



I don't know very much about just kana and kanji in Japanese. But I know that there are two writing systems in Chinese (Mandarin): traditional and simplified. But even the simplified system has thousands of sinograms (Chinese charakters). Every sinogram means one syllable. Sinograms have so-called radicals which are important for the "alphabetical" order of the words in the dictionaries: Words are sorted by radicals. Each sinogram is composed by points and different types of strokes provided with hooks or without hooks. The number of the basic strokes, however, is very limited.

What I think would be possible and very easy to use in Scrabble3D like any other language using alphabets for more or less phonetic spelling is Pinyin. Pinyin is the transcription of Chinese writing in Latin letters, commonly used on computer keyboards even in China. Normally Chinese people should know how to write in Pinyin. No problem: Chinese Scrabble is possible in Pinyin - even if playing Scrabble in Pinyin might be a little bit boaring because of the very limited number of Pinyin syllables and the enormous number of homophones. But where can we get a pinyin.dic from? By the way: To have a chinese.lang for Scrabble3D would be phantastic, too!

Attention: Cantonese is not the same as Mandarin - Cantonese is another language.



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Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:38 pm
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I like the idea to have Chinese characters on the board instead of Latin. So pinyin wouldn't be that interesting to me.
How does a dictionary looks like? If it contains a good number of items with a length about 7-8 characters there wouldn't be any major problem.
No posting without a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_character_encoding (German version of this article is better)


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Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:37 pm
#7 RE: Chinese Scrabble3D Quote · reply

Yes, Scotty, indeed! I think that Pinyin would be rather boaring, but Scrabble3D played with sinograms would be very fascinating!

A really great challenge for you who are the developer of Scrabble3D!


Regarding the number of sinograms (= Chinese characters) per word, unfortunately I must disappoint you:
Most Chinese words are composed of only one or two sinograms.

Examples taken from the leo.org Chinese-German Dictionary:
http://dict.leo.org/chde?lp=chde&search=行;

行 [行] xíng - gehen / to go

行人 -[行人]- xíngrén - pedestrian / der Fußgänger | die Fußgängerin | xíng = to go, gehen; rén = human being, Mensch
http://dict.leo.org/chde?lp=chde&p=DOKJA...行人;

Sometimes, however, we can find more sinograms like in compound words

朝圣之行 [朝聖之行] cháoshèng zhī xíng [rel.] - pilgrimage / die Pilgerfahrt, die Wallfahrt

But as you can see in Pinyin transcription, they are not real compounds, but those four characters in reality are three separate words.

One more example:

不行 [不行] bù xíng - not go / nicht gehen, where bù xíng are two separate words. = not, nicht.


But I have never seen 7 or 8 characters/sinograms in one word! That would be a whole sentence!


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Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:29 pm
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Zitat von Bussinchen im Beitrag #7
But I have never seen 7 or 8 characters/sinograms in one word! That would be a whole sentence!
A dictionary that consists of Confucius' lessons. Each entry a full wisdom.
I guess the challenge is up to the translators...

BTW: I'd like to bear something else in mind.


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Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:56 pm
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Zitat von Scotty im Beitrag #8
BTW: I'd like to bear something else in mind.

Do you need a new thread, Scotty?

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Zitat von Scotty
A dictionary that consists of Confucius' lessons. Each entry a full wisdom.


Of course! When Master Linhart has finished his latin.dic, he may create a kongfuzi.dic for Scrabble3D that is based on the corpus of the Analects of Confucius!


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Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:35 pm
#10 RE: Chinese Scrabble3D Quote · reply

Laozi's 道德經 - Dao De Jing is even better!
It's really a good text!

In fact, I like it more than 孔夫子 Kǒng Fūzǐ.


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Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:48 pm
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"Konfuzius sagt..." (Confucius says) is a famous German term for pieces of wisdom - with a slightly funny touch. Who cares about Laozi


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Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:58 pm
#12 RE: Chinese Scrabble3D Quote · reply

ICH !


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Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:46 am
#13 RE: Chinese Scrabble3D Quote · reply

Ok, back to our actual discussion!

Scotty, you said before: "From a technically point of view that would be easy. The game can be run with a subset of all available 'letters'." What do you mean? It would be easy from a technically point of view to have a letter set with maybe 6,000 units??? Are you silly?!


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Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:17 am
#14 RE: Chinese Scrabble3D Quote · reply

No, characters are definitely out. The vast majority of words are one or two characters long at the most. That's like playing German Scrabble with, let's say, words which can be either 2 or 4 letters long. So you'd end up with solid blocks of characters and the chances are, that from 6,000 or so to choose from, you'd never get any that match. Not if you're bar has what, 8 tiles?

Traditional/Simplified just refers to a spelling reform which removed strokes from some characters, for example 簡 became 简. But the problem of using characters on a limited board and bar is the same.

Pinyin might work but most Chinese people are not good at Pinyin. Somehow I don't see that catching on but who knows.

Using Hiragana on the other hand, for a Japanese game, I can see working. Though I'm not sure where you'd get a kana wordlist from. You'd have a kana on each tile, a bit like a digraph on each, e.g.

hi|ra|ga|na
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to
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ri


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Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:02 am
#15 RE: Chinese Scrabble3D Quote · reply

Zitat von akerbeltzalba im Beitrag #14
Using Hiragana on the other hand, for a Japanese game...
I'm afraid Bussinchen would demand me to flip and to invert the board.


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