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Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:28 pm
Catalan rules: Penalty for incorrect challenge (Impugnacion) and challenge time Quote · reply

In the official German tournament rules, page 8, it is specified that the player who has challenged a move which is correct, will be punished by a penalty of 10 points. Even in the WESPA rules, page 24, different possible penalties for incorrect challenges are specified.

How about Catalan tournament rules? The player who has wrongfully challenged a correct move, won't he be punished by any penalty?

As far as I understand the text, no penalty is specified in the official Catalan rules. That means that one could challenge EVERY SINGLE MOVE without being punished. If players always did that, this could disturb the progress of a game in a really horrible way...


Zitat von Catalan rules on http://www.fiscrabble.cat/wp-content/upl...ment-de-joc.pdf
6. Impugnacions
Un jugador pot fer una impugnació si creu que la jugada feta pel seu contrincant no és
correcta. En aquest cas s’aturarà el rellotge i comunicarà a l’àrbitre el(s) mot(s) impugnat(s),
que poden ésser tots, alguns o només un dels mots formats en haver‐se fet la darrera jugada.
Després de consultar‐lo(s), l’àrbitre únicament determinarà la validesa o no de la jugada, sense
donar‐ne cap altra informació, ni sobre quin(s) dels mots és (són) erroni(s), ni sobre la seva
categoria gramatical, ni sobre el seu model de flexió, etc.
Si el jugador que impugna no està d’acord amb la decisió de l’àrbitre, podrà tornar a impugnar
la jugada, alhora argumentant la reimpugnació. La decisió sobre aquesta segona impugnació
serà definitiva.
En el cas que la jugada fos correcta, s’afegirà al full d’anotació i es continuarà la partida amb
normalitat. En el cas d’ésser incorrecta, el jugador haurà de retirar les peces jugades del tauler
i perdrà el torn sense sumar cap punt.

La impugnació s’ha de fer just en el moment en què la jugada ha estat feta. Si ja s’ha iniciat la
restitució de peces al faristol o s’ha premut el rellotge (quan ja no queden fitxes al sac), es
considerarà la jugada acabada i acceptada, i per tant ja no s’admetrà cap impugnació.


Zitat von http://www.wespa.org/rules/RulesV1.pdf - page 24
3.10.14 Challenge Penalties
(a) The penalty incurred by an incorrect challenge may vary from tournament
to tournament. The tournament organiser should notify players prior to
the tournament which penalty condition is in force. Once this has been
announced it may not be changed.
(b) A player whose opponent successfully challenges always loses that turn as
per the Standard Rules. The challenger is penalised only if all challenged
words are acceptable.
(c) The following is a list of penalty conditions that WESPA considers
standard:
(i) no penalty for an incorrect challenge (‘single challenge’);
(ii) five-point penalty per incorrectly challenged word;
(iii) five-point penalty per incorrectly challenged turn (regardless of the
number of words challenged in the turn);
(iv) as in subsection (ii) or (iii), but using ten points instead of five;
(v) loss of turn for an incorrect challenge (‘double challenge’).

(d) Other penalty conditions include incrementally increasing penalties. These
are not considered standard. Examples are:
(i) no penalty for first incorrect challenge, loss of turn for subsequent
incorrect challenges (‘dingle challenge’);
(ii) five-point penalty for first incorrect challenge, ten-point penalty for
subsequent incorrect challenges;
(iii) 5-5-10-20-30 point (or similar) increasing penalties for incorrect
challenges;
(iv) time penalties of 30-60 seconds for all incorrect challenges.
WESPA Game Rules Version 1.0
Part 3 – The Turn
25
(e) WESPA considers option (c)(ii) the preferred international norm.
Tournaments that do not use standard penalty conditions risk being
regarded by WESPA as nonratable.


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Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:09 pm
#2 RE: Catalan rules: Penalty for incorrect challenge (Impugnacion) Quote · reply

Zitat von Bussinchen

As far as I understand the text, no penalty is specified in the official Catalan rules. That means that one could challenge EVERY SINGLE MOVE without being punished. If players always did that, this could disturb the progress of a game in a really horrible way...



Yes, you are right. This could happen, but currently, Catalan Scrabble players are polite.

An argument against setting penalty is facilitate the incorporation of to new players

Best regards


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Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:16 pm
#3 RE: Catalan rules: Penalty for incorrect challenge (Impugnacion) Quote · reply

Okay!

Thanks a lot for your prompt answer, dear jmontane!

So in Scrabble3D we will not fix any penalty in the default settings for incorrect challenges in the Catalan rules.


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Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:20 pm
#4 RE: Catalan rules: Challenge time (Impugnacion) Quote · reply

What do you think about challenge time:

Do you think 20 seconds would be okay as default setting for the period during which a Scrabble3D player will be able to challenge a move?


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Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:40 pm
#5 RE: Catalan rules: Challenge time (Impugnacion) Quote · reply

Zitat von Bussinchen im Beitrag #4
What do you think about challenge time:

Do you think 20 seconds would be okay as default setting for the period during which a Scrabble3D player will be able to challenge a move?


Yes, it's fine. Currently no period is defined at tournaments, only the fair-play of player playing the word. He/she waits to get new tiles until the other player challenges the word, or rejects to challenge.


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Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:50 pm
#6 RE: Catalan rules: Challenge time (Impugnacion) Quote · reply

Ah! I see! But in Scrabble3D we can also set up another challenge period, for example 60 seconds - why not? Anyway, when the player who could challenge a move, begins to drag with the mouse one of his tiles, his challenge time is automatically finished, even if otherwise he would have had some more seconds remaining.


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Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:56 pm
#7 RE: Catalan rules: Challenge time (Impugnacion) Quote · reply

Any time between 20 an 60 seconds will be fine. As you point, if it's easy to finish challenge time, the Catalan players will be happy,


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Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:09 pm
#8 RE: Catalan rules: Challenge time (Impugnacion) Quote · reply

As challenge time we can have up to 180 seconds, the maximum possible in Scrabble3D, as it is programmed just now. So if Catalan Scrabble3D players will be happy, we can also choose 180 seconds as default setting for the challenge time!

As I consider you, dear jmontane, as our Catalan expert for Scrabble3D, I want you to decide!

So please tell me what time you would like to have in Scrabble3D!


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Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:24 am
#9 RE: Catalan rules: Challenge time (Impugnacion) Quote · reply

Well, I choose. 30 seconds will be a fine period.


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Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:21 am
#10 RE: Catalan rules: Challenge time (Impugnacion) Quote · reply

Gràcies Joan! I'll fix it! 30 seconds as default setting for challenge time for Catalan players!


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