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steve13542 Offline



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Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:12 am
#16 RE: Help adding a new dictionary Quote · reply

I'm sorry but I'm still having issues and it says all files are up to date within Scrabble3D. Where can I get the updated version?


Bussinchen Offline




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Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:52 am
#17 RE: Help adding a new dictionary Quote · reply

Dear Steve,

you cannot download test versions with the autoupdater of Scrabble3D. Sorry, we should have told that to you, I apologize. Only official Patches can be downloaded by updating the program within Scrabble3D. Test versions are not integrated in the autoupdating system.

To get the test version you have to go on this Sourceforge.net site:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/scrabble/?source=dlp -->
--> Files http://sourceforge.net/projects/scrabble.../?source=navbar -->
--> Main Program http://sourceforge.net/projects/scrabble/files/Main_Program/ -->
--> Test http://sourceforge.net/projects/scrabble...n_Program/Test/

When you arrived on the last site, you have to choose the right version for your OS:

Test-Scrabble3D-win64.zip - Windows 7, Windows Vista
Test-Scrabble3D-x86_64-qt.tar.gz - Linux with KDE
Test-Scrabble3D-x86_64.tar.gz - Linux 64bit Debian and RPM
Test-Scrabble3D-win32.zip - Windows XP, but works even with Windows Vista, Windows 7
Test-Scrabble3D-i386.tar.gz - Linux 32bit


I recommend you to create a new folder on your computer, call it maybe Scrabble3D test versions. In that folder you could create a subfolder 2012-12-07. Unzip the downloaded test version into that folder.


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Bussinchen Offline




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Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:54 pm
#18 RE: Help adding a new dictionary Quote · reply

Steve, could you please post a correct IPA letter set for English phonetic transcription?


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Scotty Offline

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Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:26 pm
#19 RE: Help adding a new dictionary Quote · reply

Letters used in the dictionary are:

Zitat
a 2 3
æ 2 3
b 8 1
d 2 3
ð 4 2
ɗ 1 10
e 1 7
ə 1 4
f 11 1
g 2 3
h 1 4
i 1 5
ɪ 4 2
j 14 1
k 1 8
ɫ 5 2
m 3 2
n 7 1
ŋ 1 5
o 2 3
ɔ 1 4
p 2 3
r 5 1
s 6 1
t 6 1
u 1 5
v 1 4
w 1 6
z 3 2
ʒ 1 6
θ 1 9


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steve13542 Offline



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Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:30 pm
#20 RE: Help adding a new dictionary Quote · reply

I've updated my dictionary and I double checked them for IPA correctness. I've also eliminated words that aren't allowed in scrabble (1 letter, proper names), which brings my dictionary to around 50k words. Here's my final version!


ɪ 38848 8 1
ə 32702 7 1
t 26414 6 1
n 23152 5 1
s 23088 5 1
ɫ 18863 4 1
r 18507 4 1
d 18293 4 1
k 16114 4 1
i 12160 3 1
z 12006 3 1
ɝ 11641 3 1
p 10782 3 1
m 10686 3 1
ɛ 10170 3 1
æ 8425 2 1
b 7064 2 2
ʊ 7056 2 2
e 7002 2 2
a 6850 2 3
ɑ 6556 2 3
ʃ 6362 2 3
ŋ 6204 2 3
f 6022 2 3
o 4740 2 3
v 4678 2 3
ɔ 4431 2 3
ɡ 4112 2 3
u 3574 1 4
ʒ 3292 1 4
w 3049 1 4
h 2592 1 5
j 2130 1 5
θ 1096 1 8
ð 304 1 10
wildcard 2 0
100 89

Attachment:
english_phonetic.zip

steve13542 Offline



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Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:36 pm
#21 RE: Help adding a new dictionary Quote · reply

Character set without frequencies:


ɪ 8 1
ə 7 1
t 6 1
n 5 1
s 5 1
ɫ 4 1
r 4 1
d 4 1
k 4 1
i 3 1
z 3 1
ɝ 3 1
p 3 1
m 3 1
ɛ 3 1
æ 2 1
b 2 2
ʊ 2 2
e 2 2
a 2 3
ɑ 2 3
ʃ 2 3
ŋ 2 3
f 2 3
o 2 3
v 2 3
ɔ 2 3
ɡ 2 3
u 1 4
ʒ 1 4
w 1 4
h 1 5
j 1 5
θ 1 8
ð 1 10


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Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:54 pm
#22 RE: Help adding a new dictionary Quote · reply

Thanks a lot, Steve!
Question to the master of rules, Bussinchen: What do we do with this knowledge? Variant a) everybody has access to this thread and can download dic/settings here, or b) publish it on SF.net. I prefer a) because it's more scrabbleish and rather official to have a spoken language as dictionary.


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Bussinchen Offline




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Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:13 am
#23 RE: Help adding a new dictionary Quote · reply

Zitat von Scotty im Beitrag #22
I prefer a) because it's more scrabbleish and rather official to have a spoken language as dictionary.


Why do you think that games in English language, using IPA transcription, would not be scrabbleish?

What do you mean when you say that it would be "rather official to have a spoken language as dictionary"?

This is a spoken language! This is nothing else but English!

Playing Scrabble with the IPA letter set, the english-phonetic.dic and British or American rules will be an amayzing training tool for students of English linguistics and phonetics all over the world. In my opinion this is a new concept of traditional Scrabble, and I like it. It would be a pity if students and other interested people could not find the file english-phonetic.dic on Sourceforge.net. And Steve did a very very good job! It would be a pity if his dic would be hidden in this forum.

In my opinion the english-phonetic.dic should be downloadable on Sourceforge.net like any other dic file. The IPA letter set should be integrated in the pulldown menu for the letter sets in the setting dialogue and the english-phonetic.dic should be integrated in the pulldown menu for the dictionaries. Both letter set and dic should be integrated even in the Assistant. For special dictionaries and letter sets like these ones, you should create a special section in the menus, underneath the "normal" dictionaries and letter sets. Maybe you could insert a line and create a kind of header: Special:. Call the letter set English phonetic IPA.

That's it.


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Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:51 am
#24 RE: Help adding a new dictionary Quote · reply

What's about rules? Chosen from British or American English?


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Bussinchen Offline




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Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:40 pm
#25 RE: Help adding a new dictionary Quote · reply

@Scotty:

Zitat von Scotty im Beitrag #24
What's about rules? Chosen from British or American English?

Wait a little bit. We have to check which variants of pronunciation Steve has taken in consideration in his english-phonetic.dic. I believe that he has integrated both American and British pronunciation, but I'm not sure yet. I have to study the list, in order to find doublets that could be analysed.

I have created a new thread where we can discuss such questions: english-phonetic.dic



On the other hand:

Since standard rules do not load automatically the appropriate dictionary nor the corresponding letter set, this question is not important. I don't understand why you ask this. Phonetics training Scrabble3D players can choose British OR American rules, load the english-phonetic.dic and the English IPA letter set separately, and they can save these settings as an individual preset called for instance "English phonetics". Regarding the Assistant nobody is forced to choose three times the same language. That means that in step 1 you might choose a French interface (menu language) for the program, in step 2 you might choose the Italian dictionary, and in step 3 you might choose German rules - and these "mixed" settings would be saved as your future standard configuration. Likewise people could choose English as menu language in step 1, the english-phonetic.dic in step 2 and the British or American rules in step 3 - and these settings will be their standard settings.

So what's the problem?


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Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:17 pm
#26 RE: Help adding a new dictionary Quote · reply

Zitat von steve13542 im Beitrag #21
Character set without frequencies:

ɪ 8 1
ə 7 1
t 6 1
n 5 1
s 5 1
ɫ 4 1
r 4 1
d 4 1
k 4 1
i 3 1
z 3 1
ɝ 3 1
p 3 1
m 3 1
ɛ 3 1
æ 2 1
b 2 2
ʊ 2 2
e 2 2
a 2 3
ɑ 2 3
ʃ 2 3
ŋ 2 3
f 2 3
o 2 3
v 2 3
ɔ 2 3
ɡ 2 3
u 1 4
ʒ 1 4
w 1 4
h 1 5
j 1 5
θ 1 8
ð 1 10




Since there are formatting problems, you cannot Copy & Paste the letter set above in the letter set table in Scrabble3D. Errors will occur.
That's why I recommend you to Copy & Paste the letter set from here instead:


ɪ 8 1 ə 7 1 t 6 1 n 5 1 s 5 1 ɫ 4 1 r 4 1 d 4 1 k 4 1 i 3 1 z 3 1 ɝ 3 1
p 3 1 m 3 1 ɛ 3 1 æ 2 1 b 2 2 ʊ 2 2 e 2 2 a 2 3 ɑ 2 3 ʃ 2 3 ŋ 2 3 f 2 3
o 2 3 v 2 3 ɔ 2 3 ɡ 2 3 u 1 4 ʒ 1 4 w 1 4 h 1 5 j 1 5 θ 1 8 ð 1 10



But I prefer the correct alphabetical order instead of the wrong order applied above.


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